MacCallum makes Raffensperger squirm over call leak: ‘It feels like this is very much about a grudge’
Fox News host Martha MacCallum put Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on the hot seat on Monday evening bluntly asking him if he approved the release of the weekend phone call between himself and President Trump. Raffensperger has hedged on that question in other interviews.
Trump slammed Raffensperger during the call and urged him “to find” enough votes for him to win the state, according to a recording obtained by the Washington Post. The president lost Georgia to President-Elect Joe Biden by 11,779 votes during the November election. When the full audio is reviewed, many claimed it is clear that the president is asking Raffensberger to counter election fraud in his state, not commit voter fraud as many in the media are contending.
The phone call was leaked just before voters head to the polls in Georgia to decide the fate of which party controls the U.S. Senate.
“Did you OK the release of the phone call? Did you say, ‘OK, let’s release the audio of the phone call’?” MacCallum grilled Raffensperger.
“The information is out there. It is what it is,” Raffensperger vaguely responded.
“That’s not an answer to my question,” MacCallum continued. “Are you going to answer my question? Were you aware of the decision, and were you in favor of the decision to release the phone call, sir?
“I think that we had to respond to the president’s Twitter, and we responded with the facts that were in the call,” Raffensperger said. “That’s how it got out there. So now the world can make up their own decisions, listen to the whole thing — both sides of the aisle, right down the middle. And they can make their own decisions.”
Many think that sounds very much like an admission of guilt. That Raffensperger knew the phone call would be leaked.
Not long after the November election, incumbent Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler called for Raffensperger’s resignation, claiming he failed to provide “honest and transparent elections.” Perdue and Loeffler face a winner-takes-all runoff election Tuesday that will decide the Republican Senate majority’s fate.
Advisers associated with Raffensperger allegedly leaked the call between Raffensperger, the president, and their respective teams to The Washington Post, which published it on Sunday. Raffensperger denied knowing that a member of his team had recorded the call until after it took place. The president’s supporters widely condemned the leak, including Georgia Sen. David Perdue (R), who on Sunday called it “disgusting.” Many Republicans firmly believe that it was Raffensperger who was behind the leak.
MacCallum asked Raffensperger to respond to Perdue’s comment. “Senator Perdue owes my wife an apology after the death threats after he asked for my resignation,” Raffensperger shot back. “I have not heard a peep from that man. If he wants to call me, I’ll talk to him off the record. But he hasn’t done that.”
“It feels like this is very much about a grudge between you and the president and … Perdue,” MacCallum stated before Raffensperger cut her off.
“It’s not a grudge at all,” Raffensperger countered. “It’s about getting the facts out,” he said. “President Trump probably had eight to 10 points. Every one of [Trump’s] numbers were wrong. We have a poster board of the actual numbers that we have versus what they have. Our numbers will be supported in a court of law. Their numbers will not be.”